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Larry Kramer Speech at Cooper Union

L_larry_kramer"The Tragedy of Today's Gays". Author and activist Larry Kramer gave a 90-minute speech Sunday night, November 7, at Cooper Union, NYC. In the early days of the AIDS epidemic he was as outspoken as outspoken can be — founding Gay Men's Health Crisis, ACT UP, and writing a play that's been produced hundreds of times, The Normal Heart.

So for this, his first major public address since the early days of ACT UP, 900 showed up, 400 were turned away. Nobody walked out, according to reports. The speech, which follows, is characteristic — shrill, wildly political, disturbing, accusatory, often off-putting, at times engrossing. You may not get through it. But here it is, a call, a plea to action by a man who's made that his life's work. If anyone was there on Sunday, please comment.

"The Tragedy of Today's Gays" by Larry Kramer

I think this has been the most difficult speech I have ever had to write and to deliver. It is a long speech. I pray you will bear with me until its end.

It is an attempt to give you some idea of who and what we are up against. It is also an attempt to discuss our ability to deal with these.

I recently learned about two dear friends, both exceptionally smart and talented and each in his own way a leader of our community. One, in his middle age, has sero-converted. The other, in his middle-age, has become hooked on crystal meth. Both of them are here with us tonight.

I love being gay. I love gay people. I think we’re better than other people. I really do. I think we’re smarter and more talented and more aware and I do, I do, I totally do. And I think we’re more tuned in to what’s happening, tuned into the moment, tuned into our emotions, and other people’s emotions, and we’re better friends. I really do think all these things.

To us it defies rational analysis that this incompetent dishonest man and his party should be re-elected. Or does it?

I hope we all realize that, as of November 2nd, gay rights are officially dead. And that from here on we are going to be led even closer to the guillotine. This past week almost 60 million of our so-called “fellow” Americans voted against us. Indeed 23% of self-identified gay people voted against us, too. That one I can’t figure.

The absoluteness of what has happened is terrifying. On the gay marriage initiatives alone: 2.6 million against us in Michigan. 3.2 million in Ohio. 1.1 million in Oklahoma, 2.2 million in Georgia. 1.2 million in Kentucky. George Bush won his Presidency of our country by selling our futures. Almost 60 million people whom we live and work with every day think we are immoral. “Moral values” was top of many lists of why people supported George Bush. Not Iraq. Not the economy. Not terrorism. “Moral values.” In case you need a translation that means us. It is hard to stand up to so much hate. Which of course is just the way they want it. Please know that a huge portion of the population of the United States hates us. I don’t mean dislike. I mean hate. You may not choose to call it hate, but I do. Not only because they refuse us certain marital rights but because they have also elected a congress that is overflowing with men and women who refuse us just about every other right to exist as well. “Moral values” is really a misnomer; it means just the reverse. It means they think we are immoral. And that we’re dangerous and contaminated. How do you like being called immoral by some 60 million people? This is not just anti-gay. This is what Doug Ireland calls “homo hate” on the grandest scale. How do we stand up to 60 million people who have found a voice and a President who declares he has a mandate?

The new Supreme Court, due any moment now, will erase us from the slate of everything possible in no time at all. Gay marriage? Forget it. Gay anything, forget it. Civil rights for gays? Equal protection for gays. Adoption rights? The only thing we are going to get from now on is years of increasing and escalating hate. Surely you must know this. Laws and regulations that now protect us will be repealed and rewritten. Please know all this. With the arrival of this second term of these hateful people we come even closer to our extinction. We should have seen it coming. We are all smart people. How could we not have been prepared?

They have not exactly been making a secret of their hate. This last campaign has seen examples of daily hate on tv and in the media that I do not believe the world has witnessed since Nazi Germany. I have been reading Ambassador Dodd’s Diary; he was Roosevelt’s ambassador to Germany in the 30’s, and people are always popping in and out of his office proclaiming the most awful things out loud about Jews. It has been like that.

All Mary Cheney is is a lesbian! Even her mother is hateful! That Cheney must be one fucked-up kid to stick around that family. I hope she doesn’t want to teach school. One of the reelected Congress persons vows to make it illegal for lesbians to teach school.

I know many people look to me for answers. Perhaps that is why many of you are here. You want answers? We’re living in pigshit and its up to each one of us to figure out how to get out of it. You must know that by now. Crystal meth is not an answer. You must know that by now. And quite frankly statistically it is only happening to so few of us that it is hard to get anyone worked up about that problem. Just as it hard to get worked up about a middle-aged man with brains who sero-converts. You want to kill yourself. Go kill yourself. I’m sorry. It takes hard work to behave like an adult. It takes discipline. You want it to be simple. It isn’t simple. Yes it is. Grow up. Behave responsibly. Fight for your rights. Take care of yourself and each other. These are the answers. It takes courage to live. Are you living? Not so I can see it. Gay people are all but invisible to me now. I wish you weren’t. But you are. And I look real hard.

No one likes to be told to grow up. It’s insulting. But these are always the answers. They will always be the answers. The only answers. There will never be any other answers. Grow up. Behave responsibly. Fight for your rights. Take care of yourself and each other. Be proud of yourself. Be proud you are gay. I don’t know why so many find all this so complicated. But then I am 69 years old and have less patience for the many problems I had myself when young. It is one of the privileges of getting old.

It is 25 years since 100,000 of us marched on Washington.

The Aids service organizations are all about to collapse. No money. And the problem is too big to handle anymore. We have not slowed this thing down at all. $100 billion we’re spending on Iraq. This is a conscious choice by our “leaders” and by a large portion of the population of this country. They have in their infinite and never-ending cruelty decided this was the most effective thing to do with 100 billion dollars that might also end Aids, and a few other things like worldwide hunger. But the cabal doesn’t care about these. People say: well we can’t take care of the rest of the world. That is so stupid. The rest of the world is us. We are so intertwined geopolitically that we cannot separate ourselves off into parts, into sections. Those days are over. If they ever were here. We have everything required to save the world except the will to do it. In a recent New Yorker piece Michael Specter writes that because of Aids Russia is on its way to disappearing. Disappearing. Imagine that.

The immense knowledge we have learned about Aids has provided us with precious little more than that knowledge. HIV/AIDS is now the worst disaster in recorded human history. In parts of Africa 7000 people are infecting each other each and every day. We who are here are idiots if we think this fact is not going to alter our lives mightily. If your company loses enough world markets, which it most certainly will, you are going to lose your job. You will not have health insurance, for a start. And for a finish. Economies are simply going to collapse. This is already happening.

In 1990, that is some nine years into what was happening, 46% of gay men in San Francisco were still fucking without condoms.

60% of the syphilis in America today is in gay men. Excuse me, men who have sex with men.

Palm Springs has the highest number of syphilis cases in California. Palm Springs?

I do not want to hear each week how many more of you are becoming hooked on meth.

HIV infections are up as much as 40%.

You cannot continue to allow yourselves and each other to act and live like this!

One of these days the miraculous drugs we have to keep us alive are going to stop working. Our systems cannot process these extreme chemotherapies indefinitely. That is what we are on. We are on daily chemotherapy. No one wants to call it that. We call it the cocktail. We are on chemotherapy! Chemotherapy either kills the disease or kills us! What are we going to do when they don’t work any longer?

Some 70 million people so far are expected to die. “July 3, 1981, Rare cancer seen in 41 homosexuals.” When I first started yelling about whatever it was there were 41 cases. THERE ARE NOW OVER 70 MILLION WHO HAVE BEEN INFECTED WITH HIV. Somebody up there is really listening, don’t you think? There is no way that all infected people can be saved. No one ever says that out loud. Have you noticed? Somehow in some dream world we are going to get treatment into 70 million people. It is never going to happen. IT IS TOO LATE. We told them. But they didn’t do anything. Did you notice? Nobody every does anything. I hope it’s finally dawning on you that maybe they didn’t and don’t want to. So, in case you haven’t noticed, we have lost the war against Aids. I thought I’d tell you that, too. I hope you might have noticed. I can’t tell.

The President refuses to buy generic drugs for dying people. He is still saying he is waiting to hear if they are safe. These drugs have been approved. In some cases for several years. Does this sound like a President who wants to save anyone?

I do not understand why some of you believe that because we have drugs that deal with the virus more or less effectively that it is worth the gamble to have unprotected sex. These drugs are not easy to take. There are many side effects. Not life but certainly comfort threatening. I must allow at least one day out of every week or two to feel really shitty, to have no sleep, to be constipated, to have diarrhea, to require blood tests and monitoring at hospitals or in doctors’ offices, and to have the shakes. The shakes, which come often, are not useful with a mouse or reading a newspaper or with a lover in your arms. And I don’t enjoy eating anymore. Keeping on weight is a constant problem. I have dry mouth. I get up six or seven times a night to pee. Many of the meds we are now taking are new meds and were approved quickly and side effects have a sneaky way of showing up after FDA approval, not before. I recently discovered that I was taking an FDA approved dose of Viread that has turned out to be five times the amount I actually need. We are all probably taking too much or too little of every single one of our drugs. Doctors don’t want to test for this; tests are not readily available. You have to do a lot of homework yourselves on these drugs. Is a fuck without a condom worth not being able to taste food? Obviously for too many of you it is.

My lover often sits on top of me to make me eat. The first time this happened I was in the hospital just after my liver transplant and I wouldn’t eat and Dr. Fung said I had to eat, or else I would die, and I just couldn’t eat (do you know how strange this is to someone who was always on a diet?). It was New Year’s Eve. We were in beautiful downtown Pittsburgh. David had brought a hamper filled with my favorite dishes. And I could not eat anything. Furiously he crawled into bed with me, boots and all, and started to cry. “We haven’t come this far for you to die because you won’t eat,” he screamed, tears streaming down his face. I will never forget that. I will never forget this man I love so much in bed with me with his snowy boots on starting slowly to spoon into me whatever he’d made and I trying so desperately hard to swallow it, looking at him, this man I love so much, doing this for me, both of us now bawling our eyes out and hugging each other in this strange bed in this strange town, wondering how we got here.

It’s so wonderful being a gay person. I said that before. I’m going to say it again. I love being gay. And I love gay people. I think we’re better than other people. I really do. I think we’re smarter and more talented and more aware and I do, I do, I totally do. And I think we’re more tuned in to what’s happening, tuned into the moment, tuned into our emotions, and other people’s emotions, and we’re better friends. I really do think all of these things. And I try not to forget them.

Since the very first day of this plague we have been given, almost as if by some cosmic intentionality, American leaders who most assuredly wish us dead. There can no longer be any way to deny this fact. Each day brings more and more acts of hatred. Tell me it is not so. Tell me that the amount of good that is being attempted is not totally and intentionally overwhelmed by the evil. Point out to me how this is not so. I cannot see it. I have been unable to see it since July 3, 1981. I thought it was because it was a tricky virus. That is what we have been told. It’s a very tricky virus. I hoped for a while. But we are being played for chumps and it has been so since July 3, 1981. And we never saw it.

We of course continue to be in our usual state of total denial and disarray. Whatever structure the gay world had, if we ever had one, is gone. Our organizations stink. Almost every single one of them. I cannot think of one single gay organization that despite the best will in the world is now anything but worthless to us. Oh maybe one or two. We have no power. Nobody listens to us. We have no access to power. The cabal disdains us totally. We are completely disposable. It is a horror show. There is not one single person in Washington who will get us or give us anything but shit and more shit. I’m sorry. This is where we are now. Nowhere. And you expect me to cry for you if you get hooked on meth or can’t stop the circuit parties or the orgies. OK, I feel sorry for you. Does that change nything? I would say I feel sorry for myself, but I don’t. I know I am fighting as hard as I can. I may not be getting anywhere but I am trying. It’s exhausting and I have to do it every day, every single day, like taking my meds which if I stop I know my body will cease doing something or other. I have accidentally missed a few days of meds and boy do I know fast that was a mistake.

I fear for us as a people. Is that crazy? I am always being called crazy by somebody. I love being called crazy. That’s a sign to me that I’m on the right track. Maybe it takes a crazy person to see into the future and see what’s coming. Straight people say “my how much progress gay people are making. Isn’t that Will and Grace wonderful.” If it’s so wonderful why am I scared to death? More and more I am filled with dread. That is my truth that I bring to you today. Larry is scared. Do you see what I see? I don’t think so. Most gay people I see appear to me to act as if they’re bored to death. Too much time on your hands, my mother would say. Hell, if you have time to get hooked on crystal and do your endless rounds of sex-seeking, you have too much time on your hands. Ah, you say, aren’t we to have a little fun? Can’t I get stoned and try barebacking one last time. ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND! At this moment in our history, no, you cannot. Anyway, we had your fun and look what it got us into. And it is still getting us into. You kids want to die? Because that’s what I sometimes think. Well, then, die.

You cannot continue to allow yourselves and each other to act and live like this!

And by the way, when are you going to realize that for the rest of your lives, probably for the rest of life on earth, you are never going to be able to have sex with another person without a condom! Never! Every time you even so much as consider this I want you to hear my voice screaming like crazy in your ears. STOP! DON’T! NEVER! NO WAY, JOSE! Canadian scientists now warn that even partners who are both un-infected should practice safe sex. As I understand it, more and more new viruses and mutant viruses and partial viruses that are not understood are floating around. Are you ready for that one?

Does it ever occur to you how much you have been robbed by both your country and your behavior? America let the men who should have carved out a space for you in the social discourse, the development of your history and being, America let these men who should have been your role models die. So there is this big empty space in which you live. And you don’t know where to go or how to fill it in. This is not my original thought but Michael Brown’s of the NYU gay student organizations that helped to bring me here, who gave me this to think about. It is sad for a young gay person to feel this way.

I had people to follow and many of you have not. No baton was passed to you. In a way you must start everything over. You must invent a world from which you can move forward from. This is both an extraordinarily exciting challenge and a terrifying one, one that can just as easily leave you by the wayside as make a new man of you. I say man because it is gay men who appear to have the greatest difficulty, it seems to me, in moving forward, getting off their particular dime.

Many of you deny the horrors of what happened to your predecessors. That is something I do not understand. Every moral code I know of requires respect for the dead. I often hear that many of you don’t want to know about them or admit to them. You disdain anyone older who was there.

This is denial of a most destructive nature. You cannot move forward without accepting your past. I am going to say that again. We cannot move forward without accepting and understanding our past. We were as varied as you are. We were no different, really. We were very different from those who preceded us. We were the first free gay generation and we were murdered because of our freedom. And yes you were robbed of this freedom that for obvious reasons could not be passed on to you as your heritage. So instead of being understanding of all this, you condemn your predecessors to non-existence and flounder into a future that you seem unable to fashion into anything you can hold on to that gives you emotional sustenance. You refuse to be part of any community. But if you don’t have any community you have no political strength. You are too busy denying and disassociating to know that. You do not seem able, it seems to me, to fashion your future. To discover what you want. You don’t even ask what you want. You don’t even ask what you need. Your needs are as mighty as needs always have been, but you don’t ask what they are, which amazes me. How can you not have curiosity about your future as a gay person? Don’t you want to go anywhere? Do you want to stay where you are? That is too bad if you do because we are about to enter a place more monstrously worse. You can deny that, as you deny those of us who went before you, but just know that down this path of your numerous denials lies your own continued destruction, the continuing destruction of gay people as gay people, which this cabal of haters I shall shortly describe, and its supporters, which are legion, are intent on accomplishing with increasingly ruthless vengeance. If you do not fight back you will be murdered in ways just as hideous as the ways in which we got murdered.

Every single president since 1981 has denied our existence and denied the existence of AIDS. And we let them get away with it. Oh a few thousand of us fought for the drugs that we got but many millions of us did nothing and of course an enormous number of them died. They died because they lost their health along their journey of non-involvement and their lack of responsibility to their brothers and sisters. Instead of learning from this lesson, you are repeating it. And you are acting like this with your health intact, many of you, which strikes me as even more perverse than what your dead predecessors did to destroy themselves.

Does it occur to you that we brought this plague of aids upon ourselves? I know I am getting into dangerous waters here but it is time. With the cabal breathing even more murderously down our backs it is time. And you are still doing it. You are still murdering each other. Please stop with all the generalizations and avoidance excuses gays have used since the beginning to ditch this responsibility for this fact. From the very first moment we were told in 1981 that the suspected cause was a virus, gay men have refused to accept our responsibility for choosing not to listen, and, starting in 1984, when we were told it definitely was a virus, this behavior turned murderous. Make whatever excuses you can to carry on living in your state of denial but this is the fact of the matter. I wish we could understand and take some responsibility for the fact that for some 30 years we have been murdering each other with great facility and that down deep inside of us, we knew what we were doing. Don’t tell me you have never had sex without thinking down deep that there was more involved in what you were doing than just maintaining a hard-on.

I have recently gone through my diaries of the worst of the plague years. I saw day after day a notation of another friend’s death. I listed all the ones I’d slept with. There were a couple hundred. Was it my sperm that killed them, that did the trick? It is no longer possible for me to avoid this question of myself. Have you ever wondered how many men you killed? I know I murdered some of them. I just know. You know how you sometimes know things? I know. Several hundred over a bunch of years, I have to have murdered some of them, planting in him the original seed. I have put this to several doctors. Mostly they refuse to discuss it, even if they are gay. Most doctors do not like to discuss sex or what we do or did. (I still have not heard a consensus on the true dangers of oral sex, for instance.) They play blind. God knows what they must be thinking when they examine us. Particularly if they aren’t gay. One doctor answered me, it takes two to tango so you cannot take the responsibility alone. But in some cases it isn’t so easy to answer so flippantly. The sweet young boy who didn’t know anything and was in awe of me. I was the first man who fucked him. I think I murdered him. The old boyfriend who did not want to go to bed with me and I made him. The man I let fuck me because I was trying to make my then boyfriend, now lover, jealous. I know, by the way, that that other one is the one who infected me. You know how you sometime know things? I know he infected me. I tried to murder myself on that one.

Has it never, ever occurred to you that not using a condom is tantamount to murder? I cannot believe you have never considered this. It is such a simple and intelligent thought to have. And we all should have had it from day one. Why didn’t we? That has been haunting me for a while, that question. Why didn’t we? It is incredibly selfish not to have at least thought that question at that moment, all those moments when we were playing Russian roulette.

>From here on I am going to get even more complicated. I want you to pay attention. This is the most important part of this speech.

Bill Moyers recently said this in a speech on October 20, 2004 at the Palace Hotel:

“For years now, the corporate, political, and religious right—this is documented from 1971 on—the religious and political right has been joined in an axis of influence whose purpose is to take back the gains of the democratic renewal in the 20th century and restore America to a rule of the elites that maintain their privilege and their power at the expense of everyone else. For years now, a small fraction of American households have been garnering an extreme concentration of wealth and income while large corporations and financial institutions have obtained unprecedented levels of economic and political power over daily life.”

“Take note,” Moyers continues. “The corporate, political, and religious conservatives are achieving a vast transformation of America that only they understand because they are its advocates, its architects, and its beneficiaries. In creating the greatest inequality in America since 1929, they have saddled our nation, our States, and our cities and counties with structural defects that will last until our children’s children are ready for retirement, and they are systematically stripping government of all its functions, except rewarding the rich and waging war.”

In other words, our country has been taken away from us by a cabal that includes all the people who hate us.

These people make the rules. They are rarely elected officials. They may or may not know each other. They have several things in common. They are very rich or have strong connections to money or power. They are in agreement on what they do not want. They believe fervently in their God. And that they are doing all this for Him. And they stay in constant touch.

I hope you realize that all these people Bill Moyers is talking about hate us. Thriller writers write better histories of our times than actual historians.

Anyway, it is done. What Moyers is talking about. It’s already happened. On a scale of such magnitude that it is difficult to see how we can ever take it back. It’s all in place now, this cabal of power. It almost doesn’t make any difference who is president.

You want to know why AIDS was allowed to happen. This is your answer. You want to know why gay people have no power and are unlikely to get any. This is your answer.

The top 1% of wealth holders control 39% of total household wealth.

The richest 5% of households own 2/3 of the value of all stock owned in the our country.

The the top 1% have as many after-tax dollars to spend as the bottom 100 million.

The richest 20% of households received almost 50% of the national income, while the bottom 20% received only 3%.

At a time when 265 people in the United States were billionaires, 32 million people were living beneath the official poverty line.

This inequality gap in the United States is the highest in the industrialized world.

“That drive,” Moyers continues, “is succeeding with drastic consequences for an equitable access to public resources, the lifeblood of any democracy. From land, water, and natural resources, to media and the broadcast and digital spectrums, to scientific discovery and medical breakthroughs, and even to politics itself, a broad range of American democracy is undergoing a powerful shift in the direction of private control.

“We are experiencing a fanatical drive to dismantle the political institutions, the legal and statutory canons, and the intellectual and cultural frameworks that have shaped public responsibility for social harms arising from the excesses of private power.”

In 1971, Lewis Powell, a Richmond lawyer who called himself a centrist, was secretly commissioned by the U.S. Chamber of Congress to write a confidential plan on how to take back America for the survival of the free enterprise system. Not democracy. Free enterprise. Barry Goldwater had lost, Nixon was about to implode, Vietnam had sucked the nation’s soul dry, the cabal saw their world unraveling. They saw the women’s movement, black civil rights. student war protests, the cold war. They saw the world as they knew it coming to an end. (We are not the first to feel our world crumbling and becoming powerless.)

This is what Lewis Powell wrote:
“Survival lies in organization, in careful long range planning, in consistency of action over an indefinite period of years, in the scale of financing only available through joint effort and in the political power available only through united action.”

This was the birth of what is now called the vast right wing conspiracy. It is known as the Powell Manifesto. You can google Lewis Powell (not the one who helped to assassinate Lincoln) and read it in its entirety.

Under the supervision of some of the richest families in America, that plan has been followed faithfully since 1971 and it has resulted in these past years of horror and the reelection of George Bush. Nine families and their foundations, all under the insistent goading of Joseph Coors, have financed much of this. The Bradley Foundation. The Smith Richardson Foundation. Four Scaife Family Foundations, The John M. Olin Foundation. The Castle Rock (or Coors) Foundation. Three Koch Family Foundations. The Earhart Foundation. The JM Foundation. The McKenna Foundation. From 1985 to 2001 alone they contributed $650 million to this conservative message campaign. They have helped to launch and gain financing for networks of newspapers and magazines. They have seen to it that hundreds of the most powerful think tanks have appeared, including the Heritage Foundation, the Hoover Institute, the American Enterprise, Cato, Manhattan, Hudson Institutes, and many more. There are now in place an ever growing number of well-funded student organizations at many colleges. There are legal advocacy foundations, such as the Center For Individual Rights and Judicial Watch. There are Leadership Institutes and Action Institutes and Institutes on Religion and Public Policy and Religion and Democracy. There is a heavily visible media participation: Fox Television and Pat Robertson and Oliver North and Radio America and the Washington Times and Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, to name but a very few, including the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal.

For the preparation of this manifesto, Lewis Powell was rewarded by Richard Nixon with a seat on the Supreme Court, where among other things he voted against gays in Bowers v. Hardwick, and against Black people in Bakke v. University of California.

It is vital for us to realize that this plan was written in 1971. The people it was written for did not go off then to a disco, or to the Pines or into therapy, or into drugs. They took this plan and they have executed it religiously every day and night for the next thirty-five years initially with some 400 million dollars and always from then until now with unending hours of backbreaking, grinding, unglamorous work, of civic engagements county by county across the entire expanse of America. They took the richest and most liberal nation in the history of civilization and turned it hard right into a classist, racist, homophobic imperial army of pirates. 30% of America now self-identify as conservative or extremely conservative. When Lewis Powell wrote his Manifesto that figure was less than 10%.

And on the morning of November 3d we wrung our hands and wondered why.

And we have a community that still cannot decide on what we want or what to do. We are completely inept at organizing ourselves and have a monstrously bad record of attempting unity.

The continuing existence of HIV is essential for the functioning of the totalitarianism under which gay people now live. It works out like this: HIV allows “them” to sell us as sick. And that kills off our usefulness, both in our own minds, their thinking we are sick, and in the eyes of the world, everyone thinking we are sick. All of this obliterates the consciousness of those who should help us and don’t. This liquidates and incinerates our individuality and our spontaneity, our abilities to fight back, to hold our oppressors to task. They want to keep HIV going as long as they can! Why haven’t we seen that? The signs have always been there! But like everything else we couldn’t believe them. No one could be as cruel as that. They want to make us superfluous. Their media, their newspapers, their networks will see to it that our good qualities are invisible.

It should therefore come as no surprise that when HIV came along they, this cabal, facilitated its rapid deployment and continue to do so. Before even making the feeblest attempt to commence any miniscule response or inquiry into what their press was not reporting, which they most certainly knew about themselves, they waited until masses of us had all been exposed to the whatever it was. We on the other hand chose to not believe that the whatver it was was a virus until this was incontestably proved. But they knew what it was, or were willing to take the chance and hope that it was, and they just sat back and waited. Their wildest dreams then started to come true. The faggots were disappearing and they were doing it to themselves! I can locate no work of any urgency, or indeed much work at all on aids for most of the period between 1981-1984. Oh many claim it, as many claim seeing cases many years earlier, which I also doubt, but I cannot locate whatever these are claiming. In those four years almost every gay man who had fucked in America had been exposed to the virus.

And when they did start doing anything it was with such feebleness that it amounted to nothing for ten years. You can give me all kinds of reasons why it took so long but my research has convinced me that the actual scenario was completely intentional neglect. Oh perhaps not the doctors or the scientists. But they had no money. And they were not going to get any money. Or enough money. People upstairs were going to see to it that there would be no money. Let even more people get infected first. Blacks, junkies, prostitutes. Every color of skin but straight white. Every religion but Christian. Excuse me, white Christian. Then we’ll throw them a few pennies to make it look like we’re concerned.

The cabals Bill Moyers talked about have called all the shots in facilitating and accelerating the plague of aids. If scientists discovered something useful, it has rarely been available. I spoke earlier about the refusal of this president to allow already approved generic drugs out to a desperate Africa and elsewhere. Of that huge Congressional approval of many billions for HIV around the world that Bush brags about, something less that 2% has left Washington almost four years after its approval. Does this sound like a President and a government and a country that wants to help?

I guess I have suspected behavior like this all along. But I never knew it in quite the way that I have now come to see it thanks to Bill Moyers: intentionality is the only word to describe the genocidal treatment the world is drowning in. Much of the world, most assuredly including us, has been intentionally hung out to die. So far some 70 million of us. That is some manifesto Lewis Powell birthed. And all we have to do is keep fucking each other without condoms and the rest of their “moral issues” will be dead.

Do you seriously think they care about the continuing rise again of HIV infections? They are grateful for them. Do you think they care about a sudden plague of crystal? They thank us for our cooperation. And we thought for one brief second of time that we might even be allowed to marry the ones we love.

And while all this happened, even if we had enough suspicions to act, what did we do? We completely shrank from our duty of opposition. Those are Christopher Isherwood’s words: “the duty of opposition.” But he was flagellating himself with these words. He fears that should he have to live face to face with a war in his backyard that he “would shrink from the duty of opposition.”

Marriage? Forget it. Non-discrimination laws? Forget them. Those that have been enacted will be rescinded or amended into toothlessness. Adoption? Equal rights? Forget everything. We are going to be erased into nothingness. They hate us so much and now they are in complete and utter power, the most dangerous situation in the world for the unwanteds to live under. And I no longer think it matters who is President. Clinton turned out to be as rotten for us as George Bush, either one.

Ok, keep putting your life in jeopardy. 110 of their drug companies certainly want you to do so. Keep dancing your asses off at circuit parties all over the world as you go down to the sea in ships that are made to intentionally capsize and take you down with them. Ok, keep being bored and crying for your poor selves. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet. With our complete cooperation they have already murdered several generations of us so far. They won’t have to murder so many more of us to get their wish. Like Russia, we will disappear. That is what they want to do. Disappear us. And now they are able to officially do it. George Bush has his mandate. Can’t you see all this! People high up there in their secret powwows don’t want us here. Word has come down from on high: get rid of the faggots once and for all. You think the law will protect us? Think again. Wait until you see the new Supreme Court.

You are here as a gay person because of certain events and certain people who lived and suffered and died before you. You must learn about them and not continually deny their existence and importance in our history, the history of gay people in America. You must learn about them! They have made your life possible! What kind of person doesn’t want to learn about themselves? I don’t know why but you don’t want to. Most of our fellow gays don’t read books about us. Or come to plays about us. What do you want to do? I don’t know. And for all I can tell in talking to many of you, you don’t know either. And this is very frightening. A large uncongealed mass of potentially superior beings doesn’t know what to do with themselves or bother to learn their history. So they dance. So they drug. So they go on to the internet to find more sex. These are useful lives being wasted. Why is that? Why is there no useful creativity going on? Why is there no mental agility visible, no audible questioning discussions of… almost anything of importance? Don’t you long for some involvement in the humanity that you belong to, for your place in the scheme of things? You don’t know how to make entrance on these playing fields, is that it? I don’t know what is wrong with us. I wish you could tell me. What do you do with yourselves all week long, seven days and nights a week, that amounts to anything really important? I can’t see many of you as doing anything important, to give your lives meaning. Oh I can see lots of frocks on the runway but I can’t see bodies inside of them, bodies with brains and concerned with anything but pretty and orgasms. What do you do to make your world, our world, a better place? A world that needs every bit of help it can get, our world, not their world. You don’t seem able to connect with anyone beyond the basest ways.

“Why can’t we look at our bodies and see not just a sexual definition? Why can’t we see in the body all that the body represents? Sexuality, yes. But also mortality, humanness, humaneness, innocence, purity, health, sickness, strength, consideration, responsibility, divinity. When did we rob our bodies of all the complexity they possess? Why do we refuse to see all that we are capable of? All the other things that make us full beings.” That very beautiful paragraph was written by my friend, Jordan Roth, who is one day going to be a very fine writer if he just keeps at it.

Do you know you are taking the same crystal meth as Hitler? The stuff that was being used well into 1997, the government outlawed one of the ingredients and so the orignal process was resurrected, the one as used by the Nazis. It was first synthesized by the Germans in the early part of the 20th century. Hitler was a crystal addict. The new version is much more potent than the stuff you were taking before 1997, which is the main reason why it is so hard to break an addiction. Dr. Howard Grossman told me this bit of history. Maybe I shouldn’t have told you about the Hitler part. To the more twisted among you it may be a turn-on.

I love being gay. I love gay people. I think we’re better than other people. I really do. I think we’re smarter and more talented and more aware and I do, I do, I totally do. I really do think all of these things. And I try very hard to remember all this.

But I am finding that I am not so proud of being gay anymore. It’s come over me slowly. As much as I love being gay and I love gay people I’m not proud of us right now. It’s disappeared. I almost could say we’ve disappeared. But since you are here I can’t quite say that. But that’s how I feel.

I do not see us, don’t you see? I do not see us! They are killing us. They are eradicating us from this earth. Little by little by little we are disappearing. I do not see us and I am beginning to see us less and less.

I have recently come to believe that gay men and women are tragic people. We are so wonderful but we are also so fucked up. So blind. So ignorant in ways to look after ourselves. So uninterested in the Outside World that is subsuming us when we thought we were making them pretty and giving them songs to sing. So without agendas to utilize our wonderful-ness. We know who the enemy is and we just stand here letting them shoot us over and over again. WE STAND HERE AND LET THEM DO IT! All of the brains and abilities we have among us are useless. The smartest among us, our famous ones, our rich ones, seem to allow this most of all. The ones who should help us and speak up for us refuse that responsibility. We have enough rich gay men and lesbians to finance a takeover of the world but their brains and their money and their skills are not available to to help us. To lead us. To inspire us. To finance us. To be like Lewis Powell’s Nine Families. That, too is tragic. To have so much money and to not to use it for brothers and sisters, for family, for our continuation here on earth. Why is that? Rockefeller tithed himself from his very first dollar, to go to his church for his salvation. Please, can we get word to every rich gay person to show up to help save us. We need our Nine Families desperately.

Public service: how many religions demand this of their members? How much public service in behalf of your brothers and sisters, your family, have you performed recently? Don’t tell me you don’t know what to do. If you can find another ass to fuck, and you seem endlessly inventive at accomplishing this, then you should be able to locate a more useful and responsible outlet.

For a few brief years we had some noble moments, of togetherness and anger and progress. Not many of us, mind you. If you are still alive, you know who you were and where you were during those worst years of our mass murder. You know what you did and what you didn’t. And I know too. I know that most of you, should you still be alive, didn’t do a goddamned thing. In fact, you were ashamed of us, many of you were. I remember that as well as I remember those who died. “Friends” crossing the street to avoid me because I was advising cooling it. I was actually told to not come back to Fire Island Pines. Lots of people come up to me now on the street and say, thank you for what you did for us. I do not consider that a compliment. My response quite often’s been a curt Fuck You, why aren’t you doing it too! I don’t do anything that anyone else couldn’t do. I just do it, and some 10 or 15,000 other people did it too then. And the rest of you sat on your asses. And, those of you who are still alive, know who you were and how little you did.

Yes for one brief moment in time we got angry. Correction, a few of us got angry. Of all our many many millions of gay people in this country, about 10,000 of us or so got angry enough to accomplish something. We got drugs. We got aids care. We got enough so we could continue fucking again. That in the end is what it amounted to. As soon as we got the drugs, you went right back to what got us into such trouble in the first place. WHAT IS WRONG WITH US? The cabal can’t believe their good fortune.

How many gay people in America in those years of Aids? Ten million? Twenty million? Thirty million? How many of us are there now? We don’t even know how many of us there are! Or how many we lost! And every time some statistical number is released by some faceless organization or government office, I always wonder: how the fuck do they know how many of us there are when we don’t even know how many of us there are? And none of our so-called gay organizations ever bothers to find out. It would be nice to know, helpful to know. Don’t you think?

You know, it isn’t meant to be easy, life. I don’t know why it isn’t meant to be easy, but it just isn’t, so we might as well get used to it and try to find things that give us a certain sense of pride. We must create ourselves as something we can live with. It takes energy, yes. Why are we so crippled intellectually? Oh, we study sexuality and gender stuff until it comes out of every university’s asshole but we don’t study history, who we were and where we came from and our roots, the wellsprings of our historical existence. We do not honor our dead as we do not honor ourselves. We continue without surcease to be and remain, endlessly, day after day, helpless victims. “In my country when they raise the bus fares, we burn the buses,” a Brazilian journalist said to me as she watched a sparsely attended Act Up demonstration.

There is never one single hour that a disenfranchised minority does not have to fight to breathe and stay alive. The hate out there will never lessen. It only grows and grows, this hate. Most of you refuse to face this. I hate you for your doing that. I really do. I have no more patience for this kind of weakness. I know this is uncharitable of me. I don’t care. I am too tired of fighting with so few troops. You are now dancing your own dance of death, you know. And I hate you for this, too. Grow up, I beg you. Oh, grow up.

Time goes by so fast. We are allotted so precious little of it on this earth. How sad that you use it so stupidly. Every minute that goes by is gone forever. You who have been given a new lease on life, the very gift of life itself, piss it away. It is so incomprehensible to me who has come so close to death a couple times. I find your inactivity and ingratitude and lack of imagination on how to act in emergencies incongruous, incomprehensible, insulting. And unacceptable. I could never understand during all those years of Aids why every single person facing death would not fight to save his own life. And I cannot understand now how, life having been given back to us again, again you treat your life with such contempt.

Yes, all that I have spoken of tonight is the stuff of tragedy.

I wish we could truly look upon each other as brothers and sisters. It sounds corny I am told when I keep using terms like this. How can we be related I am asked dismissively. You do not know or want to know that we have been on this earth as long as anyone else and that we have as many available heroes and heroines as anyone else. Your family has been here a very long time and has an ancient and distinguished lineage. You must learn that Abraham Lincoln was gay and George Washington and Meriwether Lewis and so many others we are only just beginning to uncover. But they will not let gay history be taught in schools and universities. And we seem unable to teach ourselves. My own college, Yale, with $1 million of my own brother’s money to do just this, will not teach what I call gay history, unencumbered with the prissy incomprehensible gobbledygook of gender studies and queer theory. Abraham Lincoln did not talk that language.

We richly deserve the government we have received. We do not even know who we are. And our enemies participate in their convictions every day of their lives. We only show up when we want to, which is not very often. But then perhaps you do not love being gay. Or think we are better than other people, and smarter and more talented and more tuned into what is happening, and are better friends.

I leave the hardest topic we must face till last.

How do we fight as a united front when they don’t approve of our “behavior” and when our behavior is inseparable from our beings? How do we fight as a united front when some of us won’t or are unable to change certain behaviors that many of us have difficulty in supporting and defending ourselves? We’ve been so concerned about showing the world a united front. We feel the need to say that everything gay people do is good and it simply isn’t so. We must have an honest discussion amongst ourselves about what’s good and what isn’t. This is of course the problem that has finally brought us down because we have refused to deal with it, and perhaps is one reason today’s youngsters have difficulty in acknowledging our past. It is the unfaced devil in our closet, if you will, that we have refused to deal with and which, now, now that they have achieved their position of imperial power, will be used to hang us once and for all. To be crude about it, how do we market and sell our wishes and our needs as they have been able to package and sell their wants and needs so successfully for thirty-five years? How do we frame this issue? How do we claim the God that they have subsumed into their own ownership? It is inhuman to think that the only way we can get through to some safe other side is by policing each other and in so doing destroy whatever hope we have of getting along? If they have been able to convince this country that the Republicans are the party of the people, surely so many sons and daughters can be smart enough to find a way to sell our parents permission to co-exist.

I do not know how to answer any of this. And I don’t think anyone among us does either. To talk out loud about what our bodies have done and continue to do is asking for trouble from others of us. How do we admit our past, own it, and evolve from it and move on? For we must do this.

I know some of you will immediately jump up to act. I caution rushing off to form anything quite so fast until we decide how we want to deal with what I have raised tonight. I know many of you are prepared to tough it out and say to them, “fuck you, I am what I am.” And point out quite rightly that they have simply pushed us too far and, no matter what we have done and continue to do we simply cannot allow them to treat us this way any longer. We are human beings as much as they are, and their God is the same as our God and He simply cannot be allowed to be as punishing as they are requiring Him to be.”

But this is perhaps too honest and reasonable to say to those who are not either. Reasoning like this has not worked for us in the past. But I sense that ignoring this question of responsibility for much that has murdered us will only please them more.

These are the problems we must confront as we go forward. If you are going to fight in a united way, which I am convinced is now the only way that can save us, we must find a platform that all of us can support without divisiveness and shame and guilt and all the other hateful weapons they will club us with.

And if we do want to go out and fight again in a united way we must ask ourselves: are we able to replicate the kind of devotion and commitment and backbreaking thankless work and tactics that continues to bring them year after year into such positions of unlimited power. Thirty-five years of that? For thirty-five years the cabal I have spoken of has worked every single day and night to bring them their success. Quite frankly they deserve their victory and we deserve our loss.

I would like to quote this from a Baptist minister, Tom Ehrich, in Durham. By chance, I found it on a Christian website at 3:00 this afternoon. “It would be helpful if we started in silence and just listened to each other’s voices. Whether we can muster such maturity amid toxic political attitudes remains to be seen. If we are to have a meaningful national discussion of moral issues, we will need to start with the sexual issues, not because they are the most important but because they are the fire engulfing the tower. Let’s get it all on the table…

“And let’s do so openly and boldly, without the code language that we often use in moral debates, without our usual cherry-picking of Scriptures, without our usual blistering indignation, without the bullying that elevates one’s viewpoint into divine certainty.”

So we are being invited to this table whether we want to or not. We must be prepared.

I love being gay. I love gay people. I think we’re better than other people. I really do. I think we’re smarter and more talented and better friends. I do, I do, I totally do. I really do think all of these things.

And I passionately and desperately want all my brothers and sisters to stay alive and well and on this earth as long as they want theirs to.

Can we all help each other to reach this goal?

(Note: I would like to acknowledge the help of my friend Rodger McFarlane, my lover David Webster, and my editor, Will Schwalbe in preparing this speech. I am grateful to Rodger and the Gill Foundation for educating me about Lewis Powell and the Powell Manifesto, about which I had been previously ignorant. Thanks too to Bill Moyers for his extraordinary speech which is quoted here without permission. LK)

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  1. speechless.

    Posted by: matty | Nov 10, 2004 8:31:24 AM

  2. Thank you for printing this here...

    Posted by: Steven | Nov 10, 2004 10:44:41 AM

  3. Wow! This speech was hard to read. It was honest and chilling.

    Posted by: J | Nov 10, 2004 12:02:30 PM

  4. great speech! Long...but very thought provoking.

    Posted by: Patrick | Nov 10, 2004 1:28:51 PM

  5. Kramer continues to be a voice of insistence in our world of willful ignorance. Thank you for printing this -- I wouldn't have found it otherwise, and it has given me much to contemplate. Kramer, in his way, so profoundly strives to "show an affirming flame."

    Posted by: Jeff | Nov 10, 2004 2:09:28 PM

  6. My friend Aaron writes a great piece about Mr Kramer and that whole subject at:

    Posted by: dantallion | Nov 10, 2004 3:14:29 PM

  7. Amazing speach -- and he is totally right.

    Posted by: Tim | Nov 10, 2004 3:31:24 PM

  8. Thanks Andy.

    Posted by: jase | Nov 10, 2004 4:30:38 PM

  9. (Proud to say I made it all the way through the speech.)

    What an excellent speech. I echo these sentiments. How can we expect other groups to change their minds about our lifestyle when the most visible ones in our community act the way they are portrayed, as sex-crazed hornballs?

    Thanks so much Andy, for providing this area of the net so full of intelligent, thought provoking subject matter.

    Posted by: Mike | Nov 10, 2004 5:26:58 PM

  10. thank you so much for this. some may call kramer a crackpot, but he's usually right. it's time to wake up, everyone. respect yourselves, first and foremost, and let's all cut the shit.

    Posted by: gigi montage | Nov 10, 2004 7:50:05 PM

  11. hmm. amazing guy. wish he'd speak more often; I'd love to see him in person.

    Posted by: eric m. | Nov 10, 2004 9:03:09 PM

  12. A sobering enough speech- now how about some action! Props, Andy, once again, for caring enough to post this important wake up call.

    Posted by: Robert | Nov 10, 2004 11:00:11 PM

  13. This was my first live Kramer event and found it chillingly honest and poignant. Although obviously very ill, he is an intoxicating presence. What bothered me most was not his opinions and predictions of the coming years, but the fact that what was written off by many as merely cynicism, anger and bitterness in the mid 80’s turned out to be accurate.

    The Q&A was quite troubling to me as it revealed the intense schism between the generations of gay men. Young gay man after young gay man got up to the mike and assaulted him with accusations about his judgment and lack of understanding. Growing up as a gay dude in Littleton, CO my teens were spent in a generational war on many levels but even then there was a common thread, understanding or simply respect for the fact that things change very little over time and things change very much; what is crucial is that everything is contingent and we should listen to the truths of what people say rather than be offended or fearful that we are being judged. I could not agree with him more and am sorry that all of my friends were not there

    Posted by: The Modular | Nov 10, 2004 11:30:38 PM

  14. How can you not have curiosity about your future as a gay person?

    Dear Larry
    Let me explain gay people to you since you apparently haven't learned a thing in your 69 years. We're selfish, self-absorbed, little brats. We don't care about one another. If we fuck without a condom, its because at that moment, you know, a condom doesn't feel good, that's all. Its not murder, its inconvenient. And so what if America hates us. How does it affect me? I work, I get paid, I take long vacations with my gay brethren, we do our party drugs, we hug and dance until dawn and all life is good. We got ourselves on national television, via Bravo and those lovely queer guys, and soon there is to be a gay channel, and Brian Graden is heading up something on MTV, so see, where OK, we're national. Your just an old reactionary from that sad era. You need to go back to partying in Fire Island, its still hot, and guys still fuck in the backwoods, bareback even. And Larry, why do you get some steamed up about crystal, its hot stuff. I've been doing it for years, its not a problem. Once or twice a year I check into a bathhouse for a weekend and have about as much sex as a man could possibly have--and its fun, no damage done. I wake up Monday, go back to high paying job, and well, thats it. What's so sinister about that? Larry, what you really need is a facelift. I've had lipo, botox, a facelift and I have to say it really enriched my life. I feel, I feel more spiritual than ever now that my waist is back to a 30. You keep suggesting that we grow up. Larry why???? Whats so good about getting old as a gay man, what do I have to look forward to anyway? Being ignored when i go to a gay bar? That's no fun. I know when the time comes, I will settle down with a really fabulous man and live and love happily ever after. That's the way it works. So for now, Larry, please, don't rock the boat baby. These are my good years, my hot times, when nothing is denied me, I get what I want, I go where I want and nothing touches me. Maybe I'll get political at fifty, I hear that happens. Until then, Larry, lighten up. We're fairies after all.

    Posted by: Happy | Nov 11, 2004 12:16:59 PM

  15. Please tell me that last comment was self-parody.

    Posted by: gigi montage | Nov 11, 2004 8:11:08 PM

  16. and if it's not, Gigi, could we please allow other perspectives on living - even though they may chill, bore, excite, or challenge us?

    definitely says some things that sort of concur with larry, albeit from a different side of the intoxicants fence.

    btw, Happy - faeries don't only need chems to be light, happy, sexy or otherwise ;-)

    Posted by: dj | Nov 15, 2004 11:38:39 PM

  17. As ever, Kramer is so self-righteous and judgmental, he renders his own words ineffectual. As one of the people who was there through all the same years and events, I find his attitude toward gay people very offensive. We accomplished miracles during that time. As for the "irresponsible" behaviors he decries, does he really imagine any other group of people would do better? After all, most cases of AIDS in the world are heterosexual, so clearly gay men are doing better at prevention and treatment than straights are.
    The only useful point he raises is the history of the rise of the right-wing cabal that now runs this country. But sounding-off like an old testament prophet at people for failing to see what was coming and preventing it, is innapropriate. The liberal weakness has always been our inability to believe in evil. We are slow to act in the face of it. But our eyes are open now, and things will change. Wallowing in bile isn't helpful.

    Posted by: Paul Mendenhall | Nov 16, 2004 9:40:41 PM

  18. I didn't finish reading it all. It seemed to be a tirade that was overly long; the basic point having been made, the further aggressive meandering was simply an impassioned repeat. It sounds to me like a bitter old man who has a lot of fire for the wrong causes. I think the most of his ideas are founded in the idea of homosexual segregationism, which has clearly eroded in the past five or ten years. We're no longer homosexuals, we're Americans. The Democratic Party welcomes us with open arms -- it's clearly written in their platform for anyone to see.

    As for the AIDS issues, I think he is exaggerating things more than a little. He manages to ignore that European countries (of which I consider Canada to be), are also researching AIDS and cures for it. He seemed to want to burden the sentiments of the current administration and the Christian right as being the sentiments of the entire nation, when it only constitutes maybe half. And that's just in the U.S. Most other first-world nations are recognizing, or in the process of recognizing homosexual rights across the board -- up to and including marriage. The U.S. can't be totally backward from the rest of the world. It just won't work. They might be slower to catch up, but believe me, they will. They'll be a civil war before we see homosexuality illegalized, and Roe v. Wade overturned. We don't bear arms for nothing.

    AIDS is a problem. But it is my view that anyone who gets AIDS pretty much made the decision to get it. Sure, I wish there were a cure of vaccine, or better medicine, but using a condom will almost assuredly protect you from it. That said, I don't think AIDS is a homosexual problem. It's an individual problem. Gays don't get AIDS, people get AIDS. Mr. Kramer seems to not fully realize that gays are people now. He seems to bitch on one hand that the government won't find a cure, then with the other hand bitch at gays for it. If it's our fault, we can't really blame the government, can we? Which is it, Mr. Kramer?

    All I can imagine reading this is making huge masturbation motions and rolling my eyes. I'm not at all impressed or moved to action by what he's saying. Bush sucks; use a condom. That's simple. I knew that. As for the whole "lack of community," I think, again, that goes back to the idea that homosexuals are not longer segregated as he is used to seeing them be. There isn't so much a "gay" community, because gays are just regular people. I don't really see why we should put a lot of energy into having a PAC or something similar when we could simply put those efforts into the Democratic party -- just like any other liberal. We come a lot closer to reaching our goals. If you don't believe me, look at what the Christian right did to integrate themselves into the Republican party.

    I appreciate the veracity and intentions of Mr. Kramer, but that doesn't change the facts:

    The article left a bad taste in my mouth.

    And this time, I spit.

    Posted by: Joshua C. Lackey | Nov 17, 2004 10:24:52 AM

  19. Unlike Larry Kramer, I don’t “love all gay people” just because they are gay. We are not all “better and more talented than other people” just because we are gay. That idea, that all gay people are smarter and more talented than other people – just because we are gay – is an incredible generalization, and smacks of extreme bias. Mr. Kramer alludes to some “problem that has brought us down” that “we have refused to deal with”, and then he conveniently forgets to explicitly name it. Does he refer to sexual license? Drug use? Immaturity or irresponsibility? Being weak victims? Not having clear identity? Denying the past? What “unfaced devil in our closet” is Kramer referring to, why be vague about it?

    I must disagree with Mr. Kramer’s complaint that “Gay history isn’t taught” at colleges. It is, and so are queer theory and gender studies. History is without any value if we do not also address the present and future issues of the queer community. Gender studies and queer theory are not “prissy incomprehensible gobbledygook”, and ‘gay history’ does not automatically attribute a sexual orientation identity to persons from historical periods that predate notions of homosexuality vs. heterosexuality. No, Abraham Lincoln didn’t speak with the language of queer theorists of today; neither did he express an exclusively ‘gay’ identity. Gay as known in 1930-2000 America is a recent concept.

    Kramer spends a lot of time and energy describing ‘us’ and ‘we’ as the ‘wonderful’ gay people. He also turns and attacks ‘us’ as ‘you’ and points an accusing finger at ‘us’ for causing all our own problems. Interestingly he also spends much time detailing ‘who the enemy is’, describing ‘them’ as ‘the outside world’, ‘conservatives’, ‘the religious right’, ‘the cabal’ of powerful rich elites who all ‘hate us’ and want us all to die. Even ‘our own’ gay rich folk are enemies to us because they don’t donate their wealth to solve all our problems for us. As if throwing money at complex social problems can always solve them. On the one hand, Kramer says nobody in ‘our’ community is doing anything creative or productive or valid with our lives. That all he sees gay people doing is being on drugs, fucking indiscriminately and unsafely, and being victims. But then he attacks wealthy, successful gays (Entertainers? Artists? Film makers? Fashion designers?) for being successful and wanting to keep it up. He also attacks creative academians in the fields of queer theory and gender studies for being creative, one must assume, in ways that conflict with his own views about things.

    Kramer complains that gay people are ‘invisible’ to him, that he ‘can’t see us’ that ‘we are disappearing’. He blames us for not being visible to him as gay people that he can recognize and identify with. He himself rejects ideas and trends in queer culture, queer theory, and gender studies – much of which also deals with advanced ideas about transgender identity and a more honest recognition of the potential for a fluid sexual orientation for many of us. Kramer is upset because he can’t see many gay people as he once knew them, acting the way he liked seeing them act back in the 1960s and 1970s, in his heyday. Kramer is really concerned about growing old, and seeing the world change until he can barely recognize it. He lectures us to ‘grow up’, and to act responsibly and show more civic duty and consider what others think of us.

    Kramer spends at least two thirds of his speech blaming and shaming gay men for having promiscuous sex and using recreational drugs. So what’s new? That’s how it’s been for most of gay men’s history, probably due to unhealthy male socialization and destructive masculine cultural values. Kramer’s generation excelled at sex and drugs, and now he is ‘scared to death’ and wants the next generation to learn from the old mistakes of his generation. Maybe Kramer is also ‘terrified’ because he is old, has outlived most of his age peers, has outlasted his own sense of historical relevancy, and is nearing his own ‘disappearance’ into infirmity and death. Kramer preaches at us as if AIDS and the power of the ‘right’ were entirely our own fault. Although he outlines a complex conservative political and economic conspiracy to dominate America and oppress gays, he still finds it reasonable to blame, shame, and attack us for our own misfortune and oppression. As if it were our fault that ‘the right’ hates us.

    The virulence with which Kramer reacts to the fact that millions of people ‘hate us gays’ indicates the degree of shock he had when this fact apparently recently became evident to him. When he heard Bill Moyers describe the conspiracy, it appears that he was blown away by the bad news. Hello? Why is Kramer so shocked and surprised by this fact? If conservative estimates are correct, as many as eighty plus percent of Americans are heterosexual. Nearly the same numbers are in some way affiliated with organized religion, with evangelical fundamentalism having become extremely politically savvy and active in the recent few decades. Capitalist, consumer-focused, patriarchal culture supports what these two groups believe is in their best interest: property ownership, nuclear family households, college and inheritance for their descendants. Most of these goals have not been shared to an equivalent degree by the queer community as a group, who often espouse ‘alternative’ politically dissident lifestyles – even downward mobility or lives dedicated to service. Those who sought wealth, security and power often did so as closeted gays, by necessity. When did Kramer imagine that most Americans DIDN’T hate gays? Only recently has there been an open public dialogue about diversity, tolerance, and the human rights of queers and other minority groups in society. But that dialogue is taking place. Kramer needs to broaden his exposure to popular culture and pay attention to reality a bit more.

    Mr. Kramer resents the flaws in AIDS meds, as if the entire drug industry isn’t fraught with problems. Most new drugs are given a pass by a corrupt FDA without all the testing they need. People suffer with terrible side effects from their meds all the time. You can’t work that problem just from the HIV/AIDS for Gay med users’ angle. There are other people with problems that are also getting ripped off by this same system – it isn’t necessarily a conspiracy against queers if they are screwing up everyone, is it?

    Kramer says our gay community is in ‘denial and disarray’, that virtually all of ‘our organizations stink’, have run out of funding, that ‘we have no power’. He knows of no organizations that are worth anything anymore. I don’t know where he’s been or where he’s looking – I see queer community centers, counseling services, health clinics, adoption and fertility clinics, political clubs and lobbies, and many grass-roots community groups. I beg to differ with Mr. Kramer, our queer community organizations are more plentiful and visible than ever, and more diverse as well.

    While Kramer makes many interesting points, much of his vitriolic diatribe seems to stem from his umbrage at not being respected or listened to enough by the younger gay generation. He also seems to be angry at young gay men for wanting and liking many of the same things that Kramer’s own generation of gays freely indulged in and took for granted. The culture of ‘free love’, non-monogamy, and unashamed sexual expression was a culture that his generation helped to forge and wedded to the gay male identity.

    Overlooking the fusing of traditional masculine entitlement and privilege with 20th century gay male role models will not enable today’s’ gay male youth to learn what went wrong or what to avoid. The problem isn’t with ‘gay’ male sexual obsession and selfishness, it’s with MALE or traditionally masculine sexuality and gender assumptions. Traditional masculine sexuality is framed within an assumed male prerogative for predatory, conspicuous conquest and domination, possession, and utter absorption with his own sexuality. This model of sexuality supports promiscuity, risk taking behaviors, and the thrill-seeking / novelty-seeking attitude of the sexual gourmand, the sexual glutton, the sexual barbarian who uses others like toys, as objects. If we allow ourselves to question the value of this kind of sexuality which emerges out of a worldview of masculine competitiveness and aggression, we may find that it does not enhance quality of life or love.

    I’ve got news for Mr. Kramer: drug problems are rampant all over the horizon of human experience. If he expects his pet oppressed disenfranchised community of gays to somehow avoid the seductive trap of altered states of consciousness as forms of escape from seemingly unending social ostracism and oppression, he’s not very realistic. Maybe it’s because of the rose-colored glasses he wears that inform him somehow that being gay makes a person somehow ‘superior to everyone else’ that he expects or wishes gays could ‘just say no’?

    Mr. Kramer, every generation ‘ignores or denies’ the history or experience of the generation before. All youth neglect the lessons of age. Wisdom is what comes with experience. Not from following the guidelines and directions of your elders. Psychologists observe that we learn best what we observe – we imitate our elders, and we do what they do, not what they say we should do. That’s just the way youth and learning goes – it’s a natural process, not just for gays but for everyone. Why do you expect us to be super human?

    Our ‘gay forefathers’ or however Mr. Kramer wants to see them, didn’t all contribute to our current gay freedoms. Plenty of them apparently did their best to drop pout, get high, turn on and tune out. Plenty of them spent the 1960s and 1970s (and 1980s as well, AIDS or no) high as kites, balling their brains out, partying, clubbing, and filling their days with gossip, fashion and endless rounds of infighting. Many of today’s freedoms were fought for and hard-won by folks who were in grade school or nursery school ‘back in the day’, when gay liberation was a new idea. The folks who are building today’s queer community were skateboarding high school seniors while Mr. Kramer’s generation was still whining about not being able to enjoy their sex and drugs party hearty lifestyle. Don’t underestimate the value of today’s queer community, and don’t pretend the older generation knew any better how to create a queer community.

    Queer culture today includes bisexuals (whom Mr. Kramer neglected to mention) and transgendered people (also absent from Mr. Kramer’s tirade) as well as those in the broader queer community who are also not part of Mr. Kramer’s club. People of color, sex workers, pansexuals, intersexed people, the disabled queers, and those coping with various substance or addiction problems. Of course, our culture appears ‘invisible’ to Mr. Kramer – it has a lot of women, trannies, and others whom his associates usually ignored as misfits.

    Bottom line, Mr. Kramer insists on haranguing the gay male population for sexual and lifestyle choices or indiscretions, frankly blaming them for the endangered health of gay men, whom he sees becoming extinct. Kramer shows little actual awareness of the realities of the HIV/AIDS phenomena, particularly how it impacts an oppressed community or individual. I would recommend he read up on it, perhaps beginning with the research by Rafael M. Diaz in his Latino Gay Men and HIV. The fact is, many people make poor health and life choices when they are under constant stress or attack, and if they have no support. Alternately, in western culture men are socialized to ignore all risk and to downplay danger.

    Men the world over, gay or not, practice unsafe sex, use drugs, and transmit or get infected with HIV. The fastest growing and most vulnerable population in terms of HIV/AIDS proliferation are not gay US men, they are rather the victims of men the world over who refuse to get tested, practice safer sex, or respect the sexual and human rights of those they infect through sex, forced or otherwise. Gay men in America are not the primary vectors of HIV today, and unsafe sex in the gay community is not the primary means of getting HIV today.

    Gays are not the sole or even majority victimized group to suffer under a conservative, capitalist totalitarian society. Many, perhaps the majority of people, also experience oppression, poverty, active discrimination, lack of access to education and health care – disenfranchisement. This is because when you add all people of color, all queers, all the poor, all women and almost all children you come up with a majority population. The dominant class that is actively disenfranchising all of these groups are wealthy, white, heterosexual males who advocate capitalist Christian totalitarian politics. Gays don’t have a special place of honor as most persecuted people. Not even HIV/AIDS can claim the position of ‘worst disease’ category in terms of the numbers who die. Breast cancer kills far more than AIDS, and there has been far less money spent or research done to find a cure for it. Chemotherapy treatment for any cancer renders one’s immune system weak or useless, making most cancer victims on a par with many HIV/AIDS suffering. The survival rate for AIDS is many times that of breast cancer, and the medications are far more effective.

    Does Mr. Kramer imagine that because HIV can be transmitted via sex or iv drug use, that it is so shameful it gets not enough attention, and that this is due to many of it’s sufferers being gay? Welcome to the club, Mr. Kramer. People have been dying of the ‘sin’ of not being a straight, white man for centuries. Not only have there been fewer treatments or studies for health problems or life-threatening diseases among non-whites and gays, but women as well. And the disease-model has been used to attempt to control, imprison and persecute all of these groups as well, under the guise of psychiatric ‘diseases’ that the dominant culture provokes through numerous abuses and oppressions.

    Had HIV/AIDS not arrived on the scene, had people like Mr. Kramer not been forced to engage the specter of death and the horror of an uncaring government and media and general public, I wonder what would have been the alternative scenario today for the gay community? Without the personal danger and intimate losses of loved ones to this serious plague, what direction would Kramer’s gay peers have taken? Would disco have become an official political party, would drag shows have become recognized religious rites? Would bath houses and leather bars have become sacred shrines and historical landmarks? Would the white, gay male population have continued to take advantage of their own privilege and completely gentrified and dominated all of the formerly run-down poverty neighborhoods in San Francisco and elsewhere? Would today’s gay male seniors be worried mostly about getting botox and facelifts and tans, about becoming old and unattractive, and bitching about those annoying lesbians that ‘have to make the personal political all the time’? I wonder. What is it that Mr. Kramer is really upset about?

    It seems to me that much of Mr. Kramer’s lecture is really about his own aging issues, his anger and frustration with his own HIV/AIDS condition and treatment, his resentment of an evolving queer culture that he no longer recognizes or can strongly identify with. Kramer seems to be expressing a hostility towards today’s young gays that seems in many ways a kind of bitter recrimination towards his own generation and gay peers, whom he perceives as having ‘brought the HIV/AIDS plague’ down on themselves – and him. He wants to affix blame, and so follows the example of the dominant culture and blames gays for their ‘sin’. He blames the victim, repeatedly and unapologetically.

    Kramer also seems to exhibit more than a little jealousy, or perhaps ‘sour grapes’ towards today’s gay youth – partly for their foolishness and recklessness, as he sees it. Partly also, perhaps, because they are young and he is not – he would like to have not had his own prime of gay life intruded upon and devastated by HIV/AIDS, and resents the young of today who do not – who cannot – fully appreciate those times. Like many older people of his generation, Kramer resents and wants to scold the young. He preaches doom and gloom, fire and brimstone, gives warning. Since when have youth listened to this sort of ranting from their elders? Especially with the ignorant, generalizing, biased, inaccurate format preaching he is spewing, he won’t get much of a positive response to it. He contradicts himself, makes glaringly incorrect statements, and uses his cachet of ‘eldership’ capital to claim the right to moralize to young gays.

    In the end much of Kramer’s speech ends up over dramatic and smacks of an old-timer scolding naughty youngsters for things he and his own peers did too – and would have kept on doing, had most of them not gotten sick or died. He is trying to shame and castigate an entire community for being selfish and irresponsible and stupid, but for the most part he reads as only speaking to and of his ‘own’ culture, gay white males. His blindness to and/or rejection of the reality of the totality of queer culture, queer political agendas, and the extent and impact of HIV/AIDS is insulting, annoying, and rude pontification. Larry, shut up.

    Posted by: jules | Nov 18, 2004 1:26:08 AM

  20. None of us who got infected before the fall of 84 chose to get infected. None of us knew exactly what we had to do to be safe.

    Posted by: Rtle | Nov 18, 2004 12:07:36 PM

  21. Self respect is lacking across the board. Whatever sexuality, it's up to individuals to take responsibility for their actions, which DO have consequences, especially since the new face of AIDS is African-American and Latina women, not just gay men.

    But I think it's just as dangerous to generalize the gay community as being brilliant as it is to generalize the community as being promiscuous. A community is nothing more than people bound by one or a few similarities. By underestimating the differences therein, stereotypes prosper on both sides of the pendulum.

    Safe sex affects everyone.

    But it seems that in our ageist society, so many young people would rather die young than face having to grow old. And that's a much bigger, far deeper problem than even Kramer has addressed. At the very least, I laud him for saying what is seldom stated for fear of appearing too distasteful. It's no time for manners.

    Posted by: Natalie | Nov 19, 2004 1:33:11 PM

  22. Self respect is lacking across the board. Whatever sexuality, it's up to individuals to take responsibility for their actions, which DO have consequences, especially since the new face of AIDS is African-American and Latina women, not just gay men.

    But I think it's just as dangerous to generalize the gay community as being brilliant as it is to generalize the community as being promiscuous. A community is nothing more than people bound by one or a few similarities. By underestimating the differences therein, stereotypes prosper on both sides of the pendulum.

    Safe sex affects everyone.

    But it seems that in our ageist society, so many young people would rather die young than face having to grow old. And that's a much bigger, far deeper problem than even Kramer has addressed. At the very least, I laud him for saying what is seldom stated for fear of appearing too distasteful. It's no time for manners.

    Posted by: Natalie | Nov 19, 2004 1:33:56 PM

  23. I find this speech motivating, disturbing, and insightful. I find some of the comments here the same. I guess the up-shot of all this talk and thought is that "we" gay folk must understand that unity of purpose is hard to achieve, but the closer we come in unity of purpose the better our odds are of achieving equality under the law. Larry Kramer has the _____ (fill in the blank) to stand up and speak his mind in a public forum. Where are the others that have the guts to do the same and potentially incure the wrath of angry gay folk that disagree with thier stated views? Very few of us seem to have the guts to stand up and speak our 2-cents worth in public.

    Since Jules, who typed a lengthy response to Larry's speech, has substance in his head and in his comments, I will be looking forward hearing more from Jules. Any imbicile can sit and type a response, point out the problems, and cry foul when the going gets rough and when comments and views differ from one's own. But it's the rare crazy visionary that attempts to state the solutions.

    I would encourage us to start debating solutions to the obvious problems and then work on those solutions. It just not enough to point out the problems any more.

    Posted by: Karl | Nov 21, 2004 1:12:19 PM

  24. We need to remember, as someone pointed out earlier, that to change the system you need to work from within the system, a kind of trojan horse. The only way to change America is to work within the democratic party like the religious conservatives did with the republican party. For this reason alone, i beleive, is why we lost the last two elections. They have a codified message and direction---we do not. Larry and everyone on the board has great thoughts and ideas, now we need to find the middle ground, codify those ideas and run with them.

    Posted by: Matt | Nov 24, 2004 4:51:41 AM

  25. Larry, I'm sure you've spent time in Europe... does it ever cross your mind that the reason there's so much acceptance in most of EU has to do with the fact that gay people are more integrated into the society? Is this achieved through hysteria and stridency? Or just being a human being first...

    You have ghetto mentality. And that's not a compliment.

    Posted by: John-NYC | Nov 28, 2004 6:52:34 AM

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