I've never set my foot in Abercrombie nor will I ever will.
Posted by: Damon | Aug 9, 2005 6:52:58 PM
That is the whitest looking "non-white" person I have ever seen. The epidemic of straight noses continues!
Posted by: humarojo | Aug 9, 2005 6:59:15 PM
so what - let A&F cater to it's main customer base...
i don't see a lot of white guys in Sean John ads etc.
this is all so silly...
Posted by: john | Aug 9, 2005 7:08:45 PM
I'd rather shop at Sean John than patronize an establishment that has been found guilty in a court of law for discriminating against their minority employees.
Add me to the list of above individuals who will never shop there.
Posted by: J. | Aug 9, 2005 8:01:29 PM
I once dated a manager at A&F, and the hiring practices he told me about were absolutely appalling. Even if they WERE to hire an overweight employee, they were relegated to the back of the store, in the fitting rooms. Only the "hottest" guys and gals could work in the front of the store.
Anyways, who even buys A&F anymore? Several of the stores here in Cincinnati have closed.
Posted by: Mike | Aug 9, 2005 8:34:16 PM
I'm with John. My definition of racism is obviously much narrower than most here (ie, a belief in the biological inferiority of one race over others). And race selection merely to properly market to a particular population segment does NOT fit my definition. Not even close.
I liken this whole A&F controversy to the whole trying to force-hire "Hooters Boys" controversy, which I also found absurd.
Posted by: Cassius | Aug 9, 2005 8:56:51 PM
Your definition of racism may be narrow but for the the rest of the world it also includes descrimination and prejudice. I don't buy Fubu just as much as I don't buy Abercrombie but if you like to join Hitler's Youth then go ahead.
Posted by: Damon | Aug 9, 2005 9:17:33 PM
BTW: I've by far seen more white and latino models for Sean John then I've ever seen black models for Abercrombie
Posted by: Damon | Aug 9, 2005 9:20:10 PM
Damon I have 6 or 7 cans of energy drink in my fridge right now. "Gay Fuel."
Is the company that makes and markets Gay Fuel guilty of discrimination and prejudice to you?
Posted by: Cassius | Aug 9, 2005 9:47:14 PM
Hitler's youth? Dude, you need to get out more.
Posted by: CriticalRN | Aug 9, 2005 11:44:07 PM
Well, conflicted. I like looking at the sexy guys, but I don't like the clothes and the images of perfection always sorta bothered me.
However - diversity. A good idea, but. Does every single place in the world have to have an exact percentage replica of real life? I'm not a minority other than gay, so I can be accused of not being sensitive to this, I know. I'm NOt overweight, NOT non-white, or hearing or sight impaired, female, freckle-faced, missing any limbs, red-haired, anorexic, etc. etc. How far does diversity go? Does A&F have to hire people who fit everything? Or just be less blatant about the aryan whiteness than before?
I like the fact that certain places feature certain different things. I don't want everything to be the same. I don't want to see the same representative people everywhere.
Posted by: Bill | Aug 10, 2005 7:31:06 AM
And one more thing.
Has anyone taken a look at the pictures in the ads on this web site?
I'm just sayin.....
Posted by: Bill | Aug 10, 2005 7:33:47 AM
Paperbag brown is the new Black.
Posted by: max | Aug 10, 2005 7:51:00 AM
I am sure Andy does not hand select the images for his advertisers.
Posted by: Will | Aug 10, 2005 8:36:44 AM
I much prefer American Eagle. The models in the ads are of different ethnicity and they actually look like there having fun. I’ve also seen all sizes, shapes, and colours of people working in the stores as well. In A&F ads, the models always look like they're constipated. Why would I want to buy clothes that make me constipated?
Posted by: Johnnie | Aug 10, 2005 8:43:23 AM
Sure, the Aberzombie catalog has a lot of hot, white, surfer twinks in it, but the product line has never done much for me. It's overpriced, it's designer garbage, and it looks like crap. And unless some alien takes me hostage and changes my genome structure of other than that of a hairy, barrel-shaped, over-stuffed Eastern European, I have no reason to shop there. Trust me, I looked in the mirror. If it ain't designed like a tent, it's not pretty.
When I need to shop for nice fitting, well crafted clothes, my money goes to Nordstrom's and their house line. Season-end sales? FANTASTIC bargains, and IN MY SIZE that looks good on me! For mail-order, I like Eddie Bauer. Good quality, well constructed, reasonable price.
Posted by: Rad | Aug 10, 2005 9:02:07 AM
This guy is on Lisa Kudro's new HBO show, "The Comeback"...I don't agree that A&F are discriminating because they are marketing goods to a specific group, mainly rich white college boys and gay men. I guess I could sue Jeri-Curl because they only market to blacks and only use blacks in their advertising...makes no sense to me.
Posted by: Wayne | Aug 10, 2005 9:12:00 AM
I never said Andy selects the images for his advertisers. Obviously they select them THEMSELVES.
The point is that certain images SELL and that is why they are used. Don't dump on A&F when to the right of that criticism you're typing are the very same sorts of images in the gay ads.
Those images get attention and sell stuff. That is why The Advocate will have a hot guy on the front cover even if the main story inside is about non-white lesbians who have a weight problem. An overweight non-white lesbian on the cover won't sell as many copies as a blonde shirtless fit aryan hunk. That's just the way it is. If you were selling a product you'd use images that sell, too. You can argue about it until the sun burns out.
Posted by: Bill | Aug 10, 2005 9:36:03 AM
Abercrombie? Ummm ... abercrombie is sooooo 1999.
Posted by: Timothy | Aug 10, 2005 9:55:33 AM
I think what bothers me the most about Abercrombie (and their hiring practice) is that their motto is "Beautiful, Young, All American"; if they only have the aryan look in their ad campaigns, they're implying that everyone else is either not beautiful and/or not American.
In regards to marketing to a specific group of people: not every person has super curly/nappy hair (i.e. jerri-curl) nor the boobs to sell a specific product (i.e. bras, Hooters, strip clubs), but *anyone* can look HOT in a wash-out vintage polo and a pair of destroyed jeans.