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11/18/2005

The Best Indirect Exchange of the Week

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"And the suggestion that’s been made by some U.S. senators that the President of the United States or any member of this Administration purposely misled the American people on pre-war intelligence is one of the most dishonest and reprehensible charges ever aired in this city."
Vice President Dick Cheney

"I like guys who've never been there to criticize us who've been there. I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there, and send people to war, and then don't like to hear suggestions about what need(s) to be done. I resent the fact on Veterans Day he criticized Democrats for criticizing them. This is a flawed policy wrapped in illusion! The American public knows it. And lashing out at critics doesn't help a bit. You got to change the policy. That's what's going to help with the American people."
Representative John Murtha

Image from Jesus' General...

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  1. Does he kiss his Murtha with mouth?

    Ok, ok - bad joke...

    Posted by: Justin | Nov 18, 2005 5:56:42 PM


  2. Dr. Dick, (Can I call you Dick?)

    Considering the context, I don't think that putting the words "dishonest" and "reprehensible" in the public's mind is a very good idea. At least not for you.

    P.S. Did you know your daughter's gay?

    Posted by: Jake | Nov 18, 2005 6:52:54 PM


  3. That picture of Cheney superimposed onto Apples' early 1980's BIG BROTHER advertisement is brilliant. I would love to find the source of that picture so I can have it reprinted onto a tee-shirt. I think that image is on the same level as the "International Terrorist" tee-shirt with Bush's picture under a red circle and slash.

    If you do in fact have the information where I can download a high quality copy of the "Cheney as Big Brother" image then please contact me.

    Thanks again for posting very relevant news in one easy-to-read newsletter and site. I hope to order a Towleroad tee-shirt as soon as I get some extra money.

    Sincerely,
    Charles Roland

    P.S.: Hey Andy, Perhaps this Big Brother image would be a good picture to put onto a Towleroad tee-shirt???

    Posted by: CharlesRoland | Nov 19, 2005 7:07:48 AM


  4. That picture of Cheney superimposed onto Apples' early 1980's BIG BROTHER advertisement is brilliant. I would love to find the source of that picture so I can have it reprinted onto a tee-shirt. I think that image is on the same level as the "International Terrorist" tee-shirt with Bush's picture under a red circle and slash.

    If you do in fact have the information where I can download a high quality copy of the "Cheney as Big Brother" image then please contact me.

    Thanks again for posting very relevant news in one easy-to-read newsletter and site. I hope to order a Towleroad tee-shirt as soon as I get some extra money.

    Sincerely,
    Charles Roland

    P.S.: Hey Andy, Perhaps this Big Brother image would be a good picture to put onto a Towleroad tee-shirt???

    Posted by: CharlesRoland | Nov 19, 2005 7:08:05 AM


  5. charles, I linked to the source of the photo - it's from the website Jesus' General...

    Posted by: andy | Nov 19, 2005 9:59:21 AM


  6. The House voted late Friday night, 403-3 to reject a nonbinding resolution calling for an immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq. "We want to make sure that we support our troops that are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. We will not retreat," Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Illinois, said as the GOP leadership pushed the issue to a vote over the protest of Democrats. At one point in the emotional debate, Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, told of a phone call she received from a Marine colonel. "He asked me to send Congress a message -- stay the course. He also asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message -- that cowards cut and run, Marines never do," Schmidt said. Murtha is a 37-year Marine veteran. Democrats booed and shouted her down -- causing the House to come to a standstill. Rep. Harold Ford, D-Tennessee, charged across the chamber's center aisle screaming that Republicans were making uncalled-for personal attacks. "You guys are pathetic! Pathetic!" yelled Rep. Marty Meehan, D-Massachusetts.

    As I watched this preposterous debate on C-SPAN, manipulated and engineered by the Republicans to fail, the magnitude of this irreconcilable war became clear. Americans of the "baby boom era" who are the age group which comprise Congress were taught from childhood that in times of war to support our President on blind faith and to stand behind our troupes. To be a loyal, proud and honorable American no other posture is acceptable. All things being equal, honest and forthright, I would be the first to agree. However, the war in Iraq is the perpetuation of a hidden agenda to destabilize the oil market to keep prices at record levels and to further the interests of Halliburton Corp. http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

    The war in Iraq can never be won because its vast borders can never be sealed. Infinite numbers of radicals from the surrounding Islamic countries are ready to die martyrs in their vengeful quest to irradiate the infidels (Americans) from their soil. As long as Americans occupy Iraq the war will continue and Iraqi citizens will never have peace. And, Americans will continue to die senselessly.

    In retrospect, when Bush landed in a fighter jet on the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln, to declare "Mission Accomplished" just days after American troupes moved into Baghdad, it is obvious that he had no idea what was to come. The war had only begun. And, that was May 2, 2003. We are 41 days away from the start of 2006 and terror attacks have spread throughout the globe. Over 150,000 non-Mexican illegal aliens have been ticketed and released into the United States since January 2005. The Mexican government will not permit American border patrol agents to return OTM's (other than Mexicans) back into Mexico. Because there is no jail space, these OTM’s are released into the U.S. and 90% never appear on their court date. So how many terrorists now reside in the United States? It is reported that more illegal aliens are now crossing the Arizona border than through Texas. Yet our President does absolutely nothing to stop this. Why? Bush’s primary argument for staying in Iraq is that as long as we wage war there, the war will not come to the mainland of the USA. Does any of this make a shred of sense? (Source: CNN – Lou Dobbs – Broken Borders Daily Segment)

    In the past week, two al-Qaeda operatives on the FBI’s 10 Most Wanted Terrorist List were captured crossing from Mexico into the United States. Considering that we have ticketed over 150,000 since January 2005, how many terrorists have entered since 9/11 and never been caught? Consider the vast expanse of the Canadian border and hundreds of miles of unprotected coast line. Thousands of shipping containers enter the United States each week and less than 6% are inspected. Just because nothing major has happened in the United States since 9/11 means little. Consider that the World Trade Center was initially bombed on February 26, 1993. The intended plan of that attack was to cause one of the towers to fall into the other, thereby toppling both. The WTC was totally destroyed in the September 11, 2001 attack proving that the terrorists have patience and resolve. (Source: CNN)

    So what is the grand plan of the current administration to stop another attack while allowing tens of thousands of illegal aliens to pour into the United States? Why is Bush determined to stay in Iraq to win a war that cannot be won? Oil and the Halliburton / Cheney connection are at the top of the list. Bush now has the lowest approval rating of any modern day President with the exception of Richard Nixon and for good reason.


    Posted by: Johnny Lane | Nov 20, 2005 5:38:59 AM


  7. Johnny Lane, I'm pretty sure there are not "infinite numbers of radicals." Exaggeration degrades your argument.

    One can argue the US already accomplished what it needed to accomplish, and therefore SHOULD LEAVE. In other words, it's already been "won."

    Insurgents have actually not thwarted the most significant US/Iraq goals despite attacks:
    1) the interim government took charge of Iraq (early, by the way);
    2) large numbers turned out for the election despite attacks;
    3) the election was held on time; parliamentary elections are still planned;
    4) 48 of the 55 most wanted are captured or dead
    All other goals can really be achieved by the Iraqis themselves.

    Posted by: rrgg@none.com | Nov 20, 2005 10:10:52 AM


  8. Actually, Murtha's comments are embarrassing & represent a logical error called poisoning the well (http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/fallacies.htm#Poisoning%20the%20Well), where you sidestep an argument by attacking your opponent personally, a form of ad hominem. According to Murtha's own logic, ex-POW John McCain's opposition to an Iraq pullout renders Murtha's 'credentials' meaningless.

    It's not surprising that Dems are backing away from Murtha's comments, because such talk only reinforces the idea that Dems can't be trusted with natl security. At this point, the only issue they have is hating Bush, which means come 2008, they won't have ANY issues.

    Posted by: beautifulatrocities | Nov 20, 2005 1:52:18 PM


  9. RRGG's response is typical of the legions of Americans who read headlines or just snippets of information on the highly complex issues of world affairs. Understanding the dynamics of the many wars of the 20th century and the resources America continues to expend to assure containment is paramount to understanding the options for the future of the Iraq conflict. Sources at the Pentagon have already leaked that the terrorists are learning to keep the identities of new leaders and funding sources totally under the electronic radar. Ayman Al-Zawahiri who is controlling al-Qaeda operations within and surrounding the theatre of operations in Iraq is a lieutenant who has risen from the rank and file. He was born in Jordan, yet he just sent suicide bombers into three Jordanian hotels killing 59 including prominent bankers, Japanese diplomats, 2 Americans and members of a Muslim wedding party. Over 100 were seriously injured. Al-Zawahiri released a taped message last week saying that targeting the wedding party was a mistake but in the same message he promised to bomb more hotels and public venues in his former homeland. As Steve Harrigan from Fox News put it, "Jordan was the place of last refuge in the entire region. It was the only country bordering Iraq where armed guards were not visible in every public place and you could feel comfortable. Now that has all changed." Jordan, the most staunch ally of the U.S. in the Middle East is now under terrorist attack.

    In a separate tapped message, Al-Zawahiri has vowed to kill every Iraqi who has embraced democracy. The terrorist bombings in Iraq are killing substantially more Iraqi citizens than American soldiers. So leaving at this juncture would green light the terrorists and countries like Iran to storm the borders and grab control. The Iraqi army is far from being ready to defend their country in terms of manpower, training, equipment and munitions. The only thing that has been accomplished is removing Saddam and his regime and installing a fledgling government. Iraq is the crown jewel of the entire region due to its size and it holds the second largest known oil reserves in the world. Iran has 20 battalions of 1,000 soldiers stationed along the Iraq border ready to move on command. Many factions would unite to unseat the fragile Iraq government currently in place to seize control if the U.S. leaves or substantially reduces its forces. Bush is totally aware of this and he realizes that this horrific mess that he created will be handed off to the next President and many thereafter. If Iraq is totally destablized, then the entire region is subject to chaos.

    al-Qaeda operatives have fanned out to every continent. There are countless funding sources that are yet unidentified. They continue to regroup and morph into the fabric of U.S. and its allies. The international drug trade funds terrorist activities which means money is coming out of the pockets of drug abusers here in the U.S. to fund these operations. And the open ended question is how many terrorists reside here in the U.S. in the form of sleeper cells. Rep. John A. Culberson, R-Texas, says there has been an increase in apprehensions of so-called "special interest aliens," or SIAs – aliens from countries where al-Qaeda is known to be in operation – along the U.S.-Mexico border, and that American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are aware of it. In testimony Nov. 10 before the House Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Claims, Culberson – a member of the congressional Immigration Reform Caucus headed by Colorado Republican Rep. Tom Tancredo – told the panel, "I am particularly concerned that aliens from countries such as Iraq, Iran, Syria, Indonesia and the Sudan are entering our country illegally."

    The FBI list of Most Wanted Terrorists continues to grow currently listing 18. As many respected leaders in the Islamic communities have stated while being interviewed by American journalists, "there could be 1,000 Bin Ladens." These words have also come from former U.S. Ambassador Marc Ginsberg who is an expert in Middle East affairs. http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/terrorists/fugitives.htm

    The war on terror has only begun. Iraq is a monumental problem because the bleeding of American soldiers and U.S. financial resources will continue long into the future. Americans have short memories. The Korean war ended in 1945. America still has 40,258 soldiers stationed in South Korea and there is no hostile activity there whatsoever. The US has nearly 1.4 million active duty personnel, and over 325,000 of those are deployed outside the United States and its territories. Here is a partial list of international American troop deployments as of June 2005 according to the Department of Defense.

    Iraq - 169,200 soldiers

    Afghanistan – About 19,500

    Kosovo – 1,700

    South Korea – 40,258 soldiers; they have been deployed to counter North Korea since the Korean War.

    Japan – 40,045 soldiers; they have been deployed here since 1945 and are still deployed to counter the threat from North Korea.

    Afloat – 16,601

    Germany –75,603 soldiers. The US military has had a presence here since 1945.

    Italy – 13,354

    United Kingdom – 11,801

    Bosnia and Herzegovina – 2,931

    Spain – 1,968

    Turkey – 1,863 – Deployed mainly due to the threat from Iraq.

    Iceland – 1,754

    Middle East – 6,000 + outside of Iraq

    Africa – 800

    Australia - 200

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deployments_of_the_US_Military#Asia

    The Iraq war represents yet another Pandora’s Box that has been opened which has all of the prospects of being another Vietnam or requiring massive rotating deployment of troops for decades to come. Most importantly, staying in Iraq by no means solves the war on terror nor does it contain the conflict to that region.

    Posted by: Johnny Lane | Nov 20, 2005 5:33:16 PM


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